OK, based on the debate I've been having, we know that over 97% of abortions in the US are for reasons other than the mother's health, and 87% of them are for reasons other than the mother's health, rape or incest, or the fetus's health. (and just how does an abortion solve a fetal health problem better than birth would?) We also know that the latest mantra of the Pro-Choice movement lately (since they have seen their support slipping in both public opinion and the courts) is abortion should be safe, legal and rare. We now know that there are about 1 million abortions a year (not including over the counter "morning after" pills). Low estimates put the number at 800,000 and high estimates put it at around 1,400,000. Most sources put live birth rates at around 4 million. So if you take the best case scenario, 1 out of 6 pregnacies result in abortion, use the worst case and it is about 1 in 3. (The CDC says that there were 246 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2001, which puts the number at 1 in 5)
So to you Pro-Choicers: Is this rare enough for you? If not, what are you doing to make it rarer? How rare should they be? Are you OK with over 700,000 abortions a year for reasons of convenience? (87% of 800,000, the low estimate)
We know that while you are willing to support laws that say you need parental permission for a teeneager to get aspirin form their schools (but prophalayctics are handed out like candy no questions asked), or a tattoo or their belly pierced but for some reason you think it is perfectly acceptable for them to get an abortion without even parental notification. Why? Don't say incest, all parental notification laws have work arounds in cases of abusive parents. We don't give children the right to choose to drive, use legal drugs (alcohol and tobacco) or vote, but we do give them the right to kill their baby.
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Thank you Gahrie! Who can ignore this kind of common sense reasoning and facts?
I was going to write a long response but I changed my mind. There is nothing that you can say that will change my mind. And there is nothing I can say that will change yours. Am I happy that 700,000 couples didn't know what a rubber was or didn't see fit to take the pill? No. Do I think we would be better off as a country if we made them have the kid? NO! And that's the bottom line. Call it a Darwinian test. I don't want those genes being past on if they can't pass it.
Let me ask you this. If you make all abortion illegal. What areas of society will improve and how? Maybe I'm missing something.
1) I consider abortion homicide. I consider partial birth abortion murder. Protecting innocent life in the most basic function of government.
2) I can take you to any city in the United States, and we can both pick out individuals and groups of people who are a drag on society, and who we believe should be removed from the gene pool. Let's face it, about 20% of any civilization's population is unproductive and parasitic. But no rational person advocates killing these people. At one time there were people who advocated sterlizing this underclass so that they couldn't reproduce. This idea was rejected, so one of the most prominent activists, Margret Sanger, went on to form Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood, not so coincidentally, provides an overwhelming percentage of the abortions available today, the vast majority of which are performed on poor, minority women.
"1) I consider abortion homicide. I consider partial birth abortion murder. Protecting innocent life in the most basic function of government."
I don't. We don't have funerals for a miscarrage.
It would be different if I heard "Pro-lifers" talking about how they want European style work vacations for mothers, and want more money going to education and more money going to help poor children and have no problem with women from other countries coming here to have a better chance at a healthy birth and on and on...but I don't see this. I see people who want to force mothers to have kids so five years later they can complain about all the poor kids...then 15 years later complain about the increased crime rate(and there are statistics that show this is true.)
"But no rational person advocates killing these people."
Unless they killed someone. Then it's ok.
Oh and "the vast majority of which are performed on poor, minority women." I assume you mean the rate because 63% are white...and oddly enough half are 25 and over. I just don't get people.
I was wondering if anyone was going to pick up on the neo-eugenics tilt of the post.
I want women (and by extension, men) to stop behaving irresponsibly and stop having promiscous sex, especially without birth control. One of the things that separates us from the animals is the ability to manage our drives and urges.
I gladly donate money to organizations that help young mothers and arrange adoptions.
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