OK I'm confused.
What the hell is it that Rep. Foley is supposed to have done wrong?
1) Have sex with a page?
That has been going on in DC for decades. Everyone knows it's going on. Besides, no actual sexual act has been alleged, merely sexual suggestive communication.
2) Homosexuality?
Ok, I can see why this would upset some Republicans, but I thought the MSM and the Democratic Party were in favor of homosexuality? Or maybe Republicans aren't allowed to be homosexual? (David Corn seems to think so)
3) Sex with a minor?
First of all, all the alleged "victims" are at least 16, which is the age of consent in DC. (note I disagree with this, but it is the law) Secondly, again the charges are still in the realm of speech, no sexual conduct has been alleged.
4) Sex with a subordinate?
First, the Democrats have told us for years that this is OK. I mean if the president can do it in the Oval office and it's OK..... Second again, no sex has been alleged. (unless of course the Dems want to argue that e-mail and IMs count as sex but blow jobs don't)
5) Sexually suggestive E-Mail and IMs?
You have got to be kidding! You can hear worse any second of the day by dialing the right (or wrong) number. Phone sex is a thriving industry. And you can read much worse on the internet any day of the week also.
6) Sexual Harassment
I have seen nothing to suggest that Rep. Foley persisted in his attentions with any page if he was asked to stop. Everything I've seen suggests the pages were at least as willing as Monica was.
So, I can see why Republicans can and should be upset with Foley, and want him to resign....but for the life of me I can't see why the Democrats and the MSM are so upset.
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Are you serious?
Are you trying to defend pedophilia? Come on Gahrie.
So if I'm correct.
As long as you are a Republican you like you can
Shoot a friend in the face. or...
Engage in sexual activities with an underage male page.
If you are a Democrat you can't have sexual relations with a female page (of age.) That's impeachable. So Clinton should have picked a male boy?!?
This is why the middle is running away from the republican party. It's always someone elses fault. Never theirs. I hope "It's my party too" can gain strength. Hypocracy in this party must end. I guess it's still alive.
Bad guys come in every shape and belief. Stop pretending the Republican party can do no wrong.
1) Including Vice President Cheney's hunting accident in this discussion is beyond gratuitous and has nothing to do with the subject.
2) By definition this cannot be pedophilia. The age of consent in DC is 16, and Foley is not alleged to have contacted anyone under that age. (In fact the only page revealed so far was 18 when the contact occurred)
3) I suggest you look up the case of Rep. Gerry Studds, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds ) a Democrat who actually had (and freely admitted to) physical sex with a 17 year old male page. The Democrats managed to protect him from any punishment except an ineffectual censure, and he went on to be re-elected five times to Congress.
4)President Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not for having sex with his intern Monica Lewinsky. (although I believe he should have been arrested for de facto sexual harassment with Monica, and the rape of Juanita Broderick)
5) Foley has not been accused of any actual sexual activity...just speech.
6) Actually, rather than shield Foley as the Democrats shielded Studds, Foley was forced to resign. Much as the Republicans forced Nixon to resign for his misconduct, while the Democrats supported Clinton in his.
7) I don't believe the Republican Party can do no wrong. Given the choice I would not be a Republican. The problem is, there is no rational alternative, and opting out of the political process would be irresponsible given the nature of the current Democratic Party.
By the way, apparently the last paragraph of my original post didn't make this clear enough....I think Foley is slime. I'm glad he resigned. I wouldn't vote for him if he was running against Lamont.
I just don't understand the problem the Democrats and the MSM has with him.
"Given the choice I would not be a Republican".
Why not join the crowd? The fastest growing category of registered voter in California is Decline To State.
1. My Cheney comment was the fustration of this administration withholding information that the public should know...so it is part of a larger subject.
2.That's really logical. he is a resident of Florida. One could argue that he crossed state lines to engage in his activity.
3. If I go back far enough I be I could find a Democrat that owned slaves does that mean Democrats can't say anything about slavery? How many Dems were in office then?
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5) Foley has not been accused of any actual sexual activity...just speech."
I bet everyone on "To catch a predator" uses that line. I wonder how that goes over.
My problem is that you aren't saying and neither are any other Rep. "Come on guys we have to be better. We are the moral ones here" That's my problem
That's what I hate.
You say that your the Moral Majority...act like it.
1) That's a very weak attempt at justifing the unwarrented inclusion of V.P. Cheney. First it has not been established that anyone has withheld information about either incident, and second the Foley scandal concerns a Congressional Republican and not the present administration.
2)No one has alleged that he wasn't in Washington D.D. when the conduct occurred. Even then, since he committed no crime, crossing State lines is immaterial.
3)Strawman. We aren't talking about "going back far enough", we are talking about recent history. And yes the Democrats can attack Foley for his conduct. But it is still hypocritical of them to do so. What did he do that the Left can object to?
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My problem is that you aren't saying and neither are any other Rep. "Come on guys we have to be better. We are the moral ones here" That's my problem
That's what I hate.
You say that your the Moral Majority...act like it.""
Don't look now Ed, but that is exactly what we are doing. We forced Foley to resign, the Democrats in a similar (but worse) situation defended one of theirs. The first voices calling for Hastert to resign (which I have re-thought and now oppose) were on the right.
The problem with this case is not how the Right has reacted. We have reacted with disgust and worked to fix the problem.
The problems with this case are:
A) The timing. The media had this information months ago, but chose to wait and release it 5 weeks before the election. Coincidence? I think not.
B) Liberal hypocrisy. The Democrats and the Left have absolutely no standing to attack the Republicans over this. None.
C) Motivation. I return to my central point. What exactly are the Left upset about? Foley has done nothing that the Left has not approved of and supported in the past. They are cynically using this case to try and cripple the Republicans before an election precisely because they know how disgusted and horrified conservatives are over these actions.
So, I can see why Republicans can and should be upset with Foley, and want him to resign....but for the life of me I can't see why the Democrats and the MSM are so upset.
They're aren't upset. They're fist-pumping with glee, at the prospect of nailing Republicans on morals charges. If it were a Dem that was doing this, we'd likely never hear about it at all. And if we did, it would be nothing but how those eeeeeevil judgmental Republicans were once again invading the private life of a Democrat public servant.
That said, I say get rid of everyone who let this Foley stuff go on, no matter who it is. "Everybody does it" is a teenager's argument.
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